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Poster: HistoryTeacher Date: Jan 2, 2006 11:49pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Censorship?

Or not? Please tell me not...

I have noted the recent removal or dissapearance of several admittedly controversial videos from the opensource collection, notably the one on "Juba", the supposed super-sniper of Baghdad, and some other Islamist propaganda. Not to say that I have any sympathy whatsoever for the viewpoints represented in those files nor am I at all happy at the deaths and injuries of US servicement depicted therin, but as a historian, I view these films as being crucial original source documents of this war, and I wish that they be made available for all to see. I fear no mans propaganda, but I do fear any mans censorhip, if that is indeed what is happening here.

Thanks for your consideration:
HistoryTeacher

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Poster: GirdwoodTelevision Date: Jan 10, 2006 3:52am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Censorship?

The Internet Archive receives a wide array of contributions, including some questionable or controversial content, and we tend to err on the side of inclusion specifically because we recognize the value of preserving content for future generations.

Occasionally the curators of our collections find it necessary to remove a contribution from our site. Some reasons may include:

+ Rights status is either unclear or not appropriate for our collections
+ Inappropriate content (e.g. pornography, graphic violence)
+ Uploader requested the removal
+ Item content was empty or broken

The items you mention were probably removed due to extreme graphic violence, given the content.

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Poster: HistoryTeacher Date: Jan 11, 2006 1:14am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Censorship?

Then I suppose it is a matter of how extreem is so extreem that it overrides the historic value that the piece might otherwise contain.

I have seen a few pieces here that I might agree went beyond the pale (the video alleging to depict the bodies of people subjected to white phosphorus munitions being an example). I dont agree in the case of the Juba video, but then that is a judgement call, and I ultimatly have a great deal of respect for the curators here.

Thank you for your response.

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Poster: HistoryTeacher Date: Jan 13, 2006 11:39pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Censorship?

Allrighty, then...I'm calling bullshit now...do a search using the word "jihad" and you will get two pages of references to various videos. All of the ones that are islamsist in origin have now been pulled for issues related to content. I have a number of them in my possesion, and not all of them contain graphic content. Some of them have guys just sitting in front of the camera and nattering on about something in Arabic.

So, what is the stock answer now? Whos calling the shots around here?

Not happy:
HistoryTeacher

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Jan 14, 2006 11:57pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Nattering

The "nattering" ones fall into a few categories: plain lecture/talking; lecture/talking cut or inset with other footage/images, some of which may be inappropriate; and ones that have likely rights problems (such as broadcast TV programs). The first type would still be here. The second type would depend on what the other content contained. The third would be darkened.

In a few cases, plain lecture videos may have been in a multi-video item along with other content that had problems. However, most/all of the plain lectures have been redundantly uploaded into separate items by various patrons anyway. In addition, audio-only versions of some lectures may also have been uploaded by patrons into the Open Source Audio collection.

If you have plain lecture videos, perhaps you have misremembered from which item(s) you have downloaded them. Or perhaps your downloads fell into one of the other categories after all.

BTW, "jihad" is an inadequate search term for the type of lecture material that apparently interests you. In fact, there *is* no adequate search term, as many of the items are very poorly or disparately labelled. If you were re-looking for some of the plain lecture ones you've downloaded, you may miss them on that basis.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2006-01-15 07:57:57

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: May 8, 2006 12:01pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Nattering

Update on nattering, and more: As a subcollection of this new section, http://www.archive.org/details/iraq_war there is http://www.archive.org/details/iraq_middleeast where you can now use iraq_middleeast as the search term to find the material that would apparently be of interest to you.